Thursday, June 10, 2004
Maybe not....
Korn
Alone I Break
_____________
Pick me up.
Been bleeding too long.
Right here, right now,
I'll stop it, somehow.
I will make it go away.
Can't be here no more.
Seems this is the only way.
I will soon be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Shut me off.
I'm ready.
Heart stops.
I stand alone.
Can't be on my own.
I will make it go away.
Can't be here no more.
Seems this is the only way.
I will soon be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Am I going to leave this place?
What is it I'm hanging from?
Is there nothing more to come?
(Am I gonna leave this place?)
Is it always black in space?
Am I going to take its place?
Am I going to win this race?
(Am I going to leave this race?)
I guess God's up in this place?
What is it that I've become?
Is there something more to come?
More to come...
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Alone I Break
_____________
Pick me up.
Been bleeding too long.
Right here, right now,
I'll stop it, somehow.
I will make it go away.
Can't be here no more.
Seems this is the only way.
I will soon be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Shut me off.
I'm ready.
Heart stops.
I stand alone.
Can't be on my own.
I will make it go away.
Can't be here no more.
Seems this is the only way.
I will soon be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
These feelings will be gone.
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Am I going to leave this place?
What is it I'm hanging from?
Is there nothing more to come?
(Am I gonna leave this place?)
Is it always black in space?
Am I going to take its place?
Am I going to win this race?
(Am I going to leave this race?)
I guess God's up in this place?
What is it that I've become?
Is there something more to come?
More to come...
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Now I see the times they change.
Leaving, does it seem so strange?
I am hoping I can find,
Where to leave my hurt behind.
All the shit I seem to take.
All alone I seem to break.
I have lived the best I can.
Does this make me not a man?
Tuesday, June 08, 2004
Okay. So, I still think extreme cases are important for a philosophy to consider. Sara doesn't, and Chad hasn't taken a stand. Fine.
Anyway, Sara just came up with a good idea on lacking rationality:
"it's not lacking rational faculties that is immoral, it is knowingly making decisions without using reason. so, if you arrange it so that there will be no occasion to make important decisions during the period of impaired mental faculties, then there is no problem choosing to suspend them for a time."
This seems to make sense. It seems in line enough with what I know of the Objectivist philosophy, as well as intuitive concerns. So, I think I will adopt this as my new stance on rational-impairment. Just make sure that there will be no occations to make important decisions. That can be hard. Okay, tata for now.
"So long as she [(Dagney)] was still in existance she would know that action is man's foremost obligation, regardless of anything he feels...." - Atlas Shrugged (312)
Anyway, Sara just came up with a good idea on lacking rationality:
"it's not lacking rational faculties that is immoral, it is knowingly making decisions without using reason. so, if you arrange it so that there will be no occasion to make important decisions during the period of impaired mental faculties, then there is no problem choosing to suspend them for a time."
This seems to make sense. It seems in line enough with what I know of the Objectivist philosophy, as well as intuitive concerns. So, I think I will adopt this as my new stance on rational-impairment. Just make sure that there will be no occations to make important decisions. That can be hard. Okay, tata for now.
"So long as she [(Dagney)] was still in existance she would know that action is man's foremost obligation, regardless of anything he feels...." - Atlas Shrugged (312)
Monday, June 07, 2004
Sorry, I had to post this before I went to sleep.
ON THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THE SUCCESSFUL FOOL
Reason contains an inductive element. There must be some bridge between the deductive and application of universals, to the specifics of the moment and creation of the universals. Since there is an inductive element, there must be some point at which there is no inductive experience to draw upon. At this point, given a situation with two choices, there is no reason to choose one over another. So, reason cannot decide. (If you don't believe this: the deductive logic in our reason is based upon a finite set of axioms, which as Godel showed, cannot be used to derive all truths. Therefore, some decisions must be made without comment by reason.) These decisions, since they are independent of reason are amoral (neither moral nor immoral).
In order to build a basis for the right thing to do, at some point, a right action must be taken, so a decision can be made in the future. This action and in the future, decision, is seen as being right, as furthering life. But the initial action which spawned the ability to make the decision did not stem from reason. So there is a right action without reason. Now, if it is possible to have a right action without reason, it is possible (though very unlikely) to have a lifetime of right actions without reason. This, my friend, is what has led to the life of our successful fool.
This does not mean we should abandon reason, as it greatly increases our chances of making the right decision, but it does mean that it is not strictly necessary.
Please correct me if my argument is flawed. I am unsure as to if the initial action, upon reflection, is considered right. It seems it should be - or is rightness dependent upon reasoned decisions and not just choice? That seems false.
ON THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THE SUCCESSFUL FOOL
Reason contains an inductive element. There must be some bridge between the deductive and application of universals, to the specifics of the moment and creation of the universals. Since there is an inductive element, there must be some point at which there is no inductive experience to draw upon. At this point, given a situation with two choices, there is no reason to choose one over another. So, reason cannot decide. (If you don't believe this: the deductive logic in our reason is based upon a finite set of axioms, which as Godel showed, cannot be used to derive all truths. Therefore, some decisions must be made without comment by reason.) These decisions, since they are independent of reason are amoral (neither moral nor immoral).
In order to build a basis for the right thing to do, at some point, a right action must be taken, so a decision can be made in the future. This action and in the future, decision, is seen as being right, as furthering life. But the initial action which spawned the ability to make the decision did not stem from reason. So there is a right action without reason. Now, if it is possible to have a right action without reason, it is possible (though very unlikely) to have a lifetime of right actions without reason. This, my friend, is what has led to the life of our successful fool.
This does not mean we should abandon reason, as it greatly increases our chances of making the right decision, but it does mean that it is not strictly necessary.
Please correct me if my argument is flawed. I am unsure as to if the initial action, upon reflection, is considered right. It seems it should be - or is rightness dependent upon reasoned decisions and not just choice? That seems false.
Blah. Study day today. Well, not quite. I got up to study. Went to a review session that lasted much longer than I expected, then came back and ate and started working on my study sheet. Little did I know, I would get into another discussion with someone over AIM while studying. These discussions tend to last a long time, and always seem to happen as I'm studying. This is probably a bad thing. But oh well, these were some very good conversations with Chad and Sara. Kudos to you both.
The subject at hand was the importance of mental faculties. Among other things, was the impairment of mind by a sugar high, or sleep deprivation. Quite appropriate as I have been staying up late to study, and the sleep deprivation was preventing me from thinking. Given the morality of following your rational faculties, is than sleep deprivation wrong? This seems quite absurd. So, either, the studying (or other sleep-depriving activity) is increasing mental acuity, or mere impairment of mental faculties is not in itself immoral. Since the former seems unlikely to occur in every circumstance, the more impariment of mental faculties is in itself not immoral - lets call it amoral. Sara brought up that the reason is important because it provides the means to life. Okay. That would imply that reason is impoartant for life, and not for itself. In that case impairment of reason is acceptable as long as no anti-life (poor) judgements are made. But that seems to say that reason is imporant only because of the results of it. If that is true, what of the man who is fully successful (good life), but makes decisions on a whim, with no regard for reason? Then he would have to be just as moral as the rational man who leads a good life. Sara refused to answer this hypothetical, citing it as impossible. But I think it is still an important question. Anyway... more on this tomorrow, I have a final to sleep for. Goodnight all.
"He knew that man must live by his own rational perception of reality, that he cannot act against it or escape it or find a substitute for it -- and that there is no other way for him to live." - Atlas Shrugged (557)
The subject at hand was the importance of mental faculties. Among other things, was the impairment of mind by a sugar high, or sleep deprivation. Quite appropriate as I have been staying up late to study, and the sleep deprivation was preventing me from thinking. Given the morality of following your rational faculties, is than sleep deprivation wrong? This seems quite absurd. So, either, the studying (or other sleep-depriving activity) is increasing mental acuity, or mere impairment of mental faculties is not in itself immoral. Since the former seems unlikely to occur in every circumstance, the more impariment of mental faculties is in itself not immoral - lets call it amoral. Sara brought up that the reason is important because it provides the means to life. Okay. That would imply that reason is impoartant for life, and not for itself. In that case impairment of reason is acceptable as long as no anti-life (poor) judgements are made. But that seems to say that reason is imporant only because of the results of it. If that is true, what of the man who is fully successful (good life), but makes decisions on a whim, with no regard for reason? Then he would have to be just as moral as the rational man who leads a good life. Sara refused to answer this hypothetical, citing it as impossible. But I think it is still an important question. Anyway... more on this tomorrow, I have a final to sleep for. Goodnight all.
"He knew that man must live by his own rational perception of reality, that he cannot act against it or escape it or find a substitute for it -- and that there is no other way for him to live." - Atlas Shrugged (557)
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