Saturday, February 05, 2005

Alden: How do you conceive to draw the line between what one is responsible for and what one is not if you force us to be responsible for the acts of others?
Alden: And there's a great deal of difference between doing something yourself and letting it happen on its own. There is only so much any individual is capable of.
Alden: What good is living if you're going to die tomorrow? Living is more than just being a vegetable or a host to tubeworms.
Jonathan:
Nick: parasites? I thought the right to live was the right to be ALIVE.
Nick: oh, and, I'd just like to point out that capitalism is not equivalent with freedom in terms of rights. One is economics, one is political science.
Nick: both are cold, cruel murder.
Nick: allowing someone to starve to death by refusing to give them food is equivalent to locking them in a cage and waiting for them to starve.
Nick: most property does not affect your right to BE ALIVE.
Nick: Property does not equal liberty.

"And you can tell him: Miss Taggart says - quote - I expect to make a pile of money on the John Galt Line. I will have earned it. Close quote." - Dagney Taggart, Atlas Shrugged (pg 220)

Thursday, February 03, 2005

Kim Jong Il's new tv show: "let us trim our hair in accordance with socialist lifestyle". See what happens when you don't have capitalism? Damn Commies.

"I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy, to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids." - General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove

Wednesday, February 02, 2005

Thayer attacks! Despite his very busy schedule, Thayer decided to take some time off and lay the smack-down on your asses!

Chris: The right to life is not the right to "live" as a parasite on an unwilling host, it is the right to LIVE WITHOUT BEING FORCED TO HOST SUCH A PARASITE.
Chris: but as soon as you FORCE individuals to sacrifice their time/money you are violating their lives by forcing them to adopt your beliefs.
Chris: Those people who are born in to difficult circumstances have the right to live within their ability and others have the right to help them
Chris: except perhaps feasability...
Chris: In a captitalist society, individuals are free to choose what is good for themselves and THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST BELIEVERS FROM ATTEMPTING TO CREATE THEIR OWN GROUPS.
Chris: An individual can't properly survive in such a society because his life is now held back by the needs of others.
Chris: In a communist/socialist society, people are forced to become part of this collective, and so what is "good" for each individual is decided by the whim of whoever decides the next "right".
Chris: What is good for one person is not necessarily what is good for another.
Chris: So, blanket statements about the survival and happiness of humanity are rediculous. Individual people have individual values.
Chris: People are obviously different...heck...we're proving that right now with this argument; we have different ideas of right and wrong.
Chris: The major issue here is whether or not you regard people as parts of a mass entity or as individuals.

"That's more than crazy, bud, that's super crazy plus." - Aiakos, Aristophanes' The Frogs

Alden: That does not entitle them to anything - and just because I was born first does not entitle them to anything from me. If I choose to help them, so be it, but it was not their entitlement.
Alden: Just because you're born does not mean anything. Even the most incompetent are born.
Chad: Yes, but it's NOT in my best interest to promote the survival of others at the expense of my own; we aren't slaves to those who aren't capable of providing for themselves
Julia: And don't give me the survival of the fittest answer. If you are born into poverty and can't afford a doctor as a child, no matter how brilliant you are, you're pretty screwed.
Julia: But isn't it in our best interest as a society to encourage the survival of our people?
Chad: Yeah, it is hard to survive in those situations; what's your point? Survival is not guaranteed; that's part of being a living organism.
Chad: And i whole-heartedly agree; the government shouldn't throw you in jail for drug use; it's definitely an area where they are not doing what they're supposed to.
Chad: Yes, but the possibility of me being wrong does not indicate that i AM; only an argument with reasons saying that i AM wrong could do that.
Nick: On the issue of using my mind to survive, it's fairly hard to survive regardless of one's freedom of thought/action when one is starving to death/badly ill or injured/burning to death/whatever.
Nick: On the issue of initiating force, being thrown into prison for smoking a joint, which affects no one but ME seems a little restrictive of my personal rights.
Nick: On the issue of cultural determination of rights...if your entire culture can be wrong, maybe YOU are wrong...or I am, or WE both are.
Nick: Your d12 is weak. I roll a natural 20, critical hit, all relationships gone, fired, expelled, all leads to broken.

"We are not special unique snowflakes, we are the same rotting compost heap as everything else." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club

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