Friday, February 11, 2005
Chris! You bumped everyone off! Take that Ben, and Julia.
Chris: If you still don't understand that blatantly obvious nullification of your arguments then I think you should immediately spend next semester's tuition money on a bum's hospital fees.
Chris: Who freaked out and gave you the right to spend what you earn? Your life belongs to the incompetent, right?
Chris: If you think letting somebody die is the same as killing them then you're a goddamn murderer because you didn't give your livelyhood and happiness and your life to save every bum in the world.
Chris: If BB didn't do that...at what point exactly did you initiate the use of force? Did you punch the man in the DNA before he was born?
Chris: Here, BB initiated force by taking parts of your life and giving them to somebody who didn't earn them.
Chris: At what point did this person who couldn't even guarantee his own happiness obtain the right to yours?
Chris: Where did you right to property go? Where did your right to the pursuit of happiness go? Without your property and your happiness...where did your life go?
Chris: At what point is it okay for you to enjoy what you've earned for yourself in the way that you want to enjoy it?
Chris: ?(forgot this)
Chris: What gave BB the "right" to take YOUR earned happiness and fork it over to somebody who is unwilling to make an effort or unable to live up to BB's standards of a "proper" life.
Chris: Now you may say that this is a small price to pay to SAVE(not spare) a life, but who decides at what point this stops?...and what if your hobby was smoking cigars?
Chris: and suddenly you're "spending" quite the chunk of your hard-earned cash and now you cant afford to take your wife out or maybe you cant afford the bigger house you wanted for your kid.
Chris: but wait...BB just noticed that several others have been born with defects and he is "willing" to "spend" a slightly larger portion of your income than you really wanted to devote to your hobby.
Chris: We'll say you're a sympathetic guy who happens to WANT to help out and that you're WILLING to pay a bit of your income to subsidize your philanthropy hobby.
Chris: So, BB decides that HE is "willing", "for the sake of man" to take YOUR MONEY(which you use to LIVE happily) and use it to pay for the D man's health insurance.
Chris: Now, a third party comes into this equation(lets call him Big Brother) and he decides that it is a tragedy that the deformed man might get injured and be unable to pay for medical services.
Chris: and somebody else happens to be born with a birth defect that couldn't have been avoided and that you had nothing to do with. Now,because of this defect, he is unable to earn a proper living.
Chris: So, Nick...say you've WORKED very hard to live happily by TRADING your SERVICES for MONEY(hint hint) which you used to buy the FOOD and other goods that let you LIVE(really really big hints here)..
Alden: I know misguided can have integrity. My point was if you have low integrity, you'd flip-flop based on your income level.
Ben: And Julia, your cynicism is depressing. - 5 points.
Ben: People can be very wrong and still have integrity. Alden - 10 points.
Julia: So, a person with integrity cannot possibly be affected by their own subconsious biases?
Alden: A person with integirity is going to hold his view regardless of his immediate circumstances.
Julia: Throw in a few terminal diseases and you have a very different discussion.
Julia: I wonder how this conversation would go if we were all born poor and unable to aford health care.
Okay, after reading Chris' posts, I forgive him. Good phrasing here, solid example. Props to Chris. Nick, I await your conversion.
"They are alive, she thought, but their soul operates them by remote control. Their soul is in every man who has the capacity to equal this achievement. Should the soul vanish from the earth, the motors would stop, because that is the power which keeps them going -- not the oil under the floor under her feet, the oil that would then become the primeval ooze again -- not the steel cylinders that would become the stains of rust on the walls of the caves of shivering savages --- the power of a living mind -- the power of thought and choice and purpose." - Dagney Taggart, Atlas Shrugged, pp 230-231
Chris: If you still don't understand that blatantly obvious nullification of your arguments then I think you should immediately spend next semester's tuition money on a bum's hospital fees.
Chris: Who freaked out and gave you the right to spend what you earn? Your life belongs to the incompetent, right?
Chris: If you think letting somebody die is the same as killing them then you're a goddamn murderer because you didn't give your livelyhood and happiness and your life to save every bum in the world.
Chris: If BB didn't do that...at what point exactly did you initiate the use of force? Did you punch the man in the DNA before he was born?
Chris: Here, BB initiated force by taking parts of your life and giving them to somebody who didn't earn them.
Chris: At what point did this person who couldn't even guarantee his own happiness obtain the right to yours?
Chris: Where did you right to property go? Where did your right to the pursuit of happiness go? Without your property and your happiness...where did your life go?
Chris: At what point is it okay for you to enjoy what you've earned for yourself in the way that you want to enjoy it?
Chris: ?(forgot this)
Chris: What gave BB the "right" to take YOUR earned happiness and fork it over to somebody who is unwilling to make an effort or unable to live up to BB's standards of a "proper" life.
Chris: Now you may say that this is a small price to pay to SAVE(not spare) a life, but who decides at what point this stops?...and what if your hobby was smoking cigars?
Chris: and suddenly you're "spending" quite the chunk of your hard-earned cash and now you cant afford to take your wife out or maybe you cant afford the bigger house you wanted for your kid.
Chris: but wait...BB just noticed that several others have been born with defects and he is "willing" to "spend" a slightly larger portion of your income than you really wanted to devote to your hobby.
Chris: We'll say you're a sympathetic guy who happens to WANT to help out and that you're WILLING to pay a bit of your income to subsidize your philanthropy hobby.
Chris: So, BB decides that HE is "willing", "for the sake of man" to take YOUR MONEY(which you use to LIVE happily) and use it to pay for the D man's health insurance.
Chris: Now, a third party comes into this equation(lets call him Big Brother) and he decides that it is a tragedy that the deformed man might get injured and be unable to pay for medical services.
Chris: and somebody else happens to be born with a birth defect that couldn't have been avoided and that you had nothing to do with. Now,because of this defect, he is unable to earn a proper living.
Chris: So, Nick...say you've WORKED very hard to live happily by TRADING your SERVICES for MONEY(hint hint) which you used to buy the FOOD and other goods that let you LIVE(really really big hints here)..
Alden: I know misguided can have integrity. My point was if you have low integrity, you'd flip-flop based on your income level.
Ben: And Julia, your cynicism is depressing. - 5 points.
Ben: People can be very wrong and still have integrity. Alden - 10 points.
Julia: So, a person with integrity cannot possibly be affected by their own subconsious biases?
Alden: A person with integirity is going to hold his view regardless of his immediate circumstances.
Julia: Throw in a few terminal diseases and you have a very different discussion.
Julia: I wonder how this conversation would go if we were all born poor and unable to aford health care.
Okay, after reading Chris' posts, I forgive him. Good phrasing here, solid example. Props to Chris. Nick, I await your conversion.
"They are alive, she thought, but their soul operates them by remote control. Their soul is in every man who has the capacity to equal this achievement. Should the soul vanish from the earth, the motors would stop, because that is the power which keeps them going -- not the oil under the floor under her feet, the oil that would then become the primeval ooze again -- not the steel cylinders that would become the stains of rust on the walls of the caves of shivering savages --- the power of a living mind -- the power of thought and choice and purpose." - Dagney Taggart, Atlas Shrugged, pp 230-231
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