Sunday, March 13, 2005
A final word?
Thayer: and remember that all of us once accepted other philosophies and were honest enough with ourselves to know when we were arguing without clear minds.
Thayer: If you read it honestly and still disagree, at least you will have a clearer view of why. If you read it dishonestly then I think it will be a hint at which of us has correctly examined the facts.
Thayer: Remember that the point of argument isn't to win. It is to determine correctness. Sometimes both parties of an argument are incorrect and they ultimately adopt a third viewpoint.
Thayer: If you care at all what is right, I suggest you read her books without holding a grudge as you read and then decide on your philosophy
Thayer: dont take this as an insult. All of us once had those same definitions and it took a lot of reading and thinking for us to realize that they were not correct.
Thayer: Its like coming to a logical conclusion with the wrong base...if your premises are corrupt you cant logically come to the right conclusion
Thayer: To us, you're speaking a different language based on a socialist and altruistic vocabulary and so you cant understand what we're trying to tell you.
Thayer: And you seem to think that people's happiness has nothing to do with their ability to make their own living and own what they have worked for.
Thayer: You seem to think that "society" is something that can have an end in itself or that a society can be good or bad independent of the feelings of the individuals that comprise it.
Thayer: I suggest you take the time to read a few of her books. I'm sure alden can point out some good ones about the basics of the philosophy
Thayer: From our perspective you are contradicting yourself because you dont know the implications of some of your statements
Thayer: Your views of it are based on incorrect or different definitions of specific terms that Rand uses to describe her philosophy.
Thayer: We have all read a good amount about economics and philosophy INCLUDING socialism and communism.You obviously haven't read anything about objectivism and have already formed your opinion about it.
Thayer: I think you should take the time to figure out exactly what you're arguing against before you talk away.
Thayer: Anyway, JOKING aside, a couple more comments. I think nick needs to understand that there can be a real definition to morality that doesn't necessarily coincide with society's views.
Thayer: A toast. To maturity. I envy some people who are too mature for humor.
Alden: That would be so bad-ass.
Laura: I just wanted to tell you Alden that someone yesterday told me I looked like a Rand heroine. I took it as a compliment ;) The next time you hit on a girl that should be your opening line.
Alden: Hey guys, just thought I'd give props to Fuzzy for his awesome posts lately. So those of you who haven't read him, check it out.
Laura: Congratulations...?
"I ride through the desert on a horse with no name" - America, Horse With No Name
Thayer: If you read it honestly and still disagree, at least you will have a clearer view of why. If you read it dishonestly then I think it will be a hint at which of us has correctly examined the facts.
Thayer: Remember that the point of argument isn't to win. It is to determine correctness. Sometimes both parties of an argument are incorrect and they ultimately adopt a third viewpoint.
Thayer: If you care at all what is right, I suggest you read her books without holding a grudge as you read and then decide on your philosophy
Thayer: dont take this as an insult. All of us once had those same definitions and it took a lot of reading and thinking for us to realize that they were not correct.
Thayer: Its like coming to a logical conclusion with the wrong base...if your premises are corrupt you cant logically come to the right conclusion
Thayer: To us, you're speaking a different language based on a socialist and altruistic vocabulary and so you cant understand what we're trying to tell you.
Thayer: And you seem to think that people's happiness has nothing to do with their ability to make their own living and own what they have worked for.
Thayer: You seem to think that "society" is something that can have an end in itself or that a society can be good or bad independent of the feelings of the individuals that comprise it.
Thayer: I suggest you take the time to read a few of her books. I'm sure alden can point out some good ones about the basics of the philosophy
Thayer: From our perspective you are contradicting yourself because you dont know the implications of some of your statements
Thayer: Your views of it are based on incorrect or different definitions of specific terms that Rand uses to describe her philosophy.
Thayer: We have all read a good amount about economics and philosophy INCLUDING socialism and communism.You obviously haven't read anything about objectivism and have already formed your opinion about it.
Thayer: I think you should take the time to figure out exactly what you're arguing against before you talk away.
Thayer: Anyway, JOKING aside, a couple more comments. I think nick needs to understand that there can be a real definition to morality that doesn't necessarily coincide with society's views.
Thayer: A toast. To maturity. I envy some people who are too mature for humor.
Alden: That would be so bad-ass.
Laura: I just wanted to tell you Alden that someone yesterday told me I looked like a Rand heroine. I took it as a compliment ;) The next time you hit on a girl that should be your opening line.
Alden: Hey guys, just thought I'd give props to Fuzzy for his awesome posts lately. So those of you who haven't read him, check it out.
Laura: Congratulations...?
"I ride through the desert on a horse with no name" - America, Horse With No Name
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